In this special podcast episode, ANU PhD students Vania Budianto and Riandy Laksono engage in an exclusive conversation with Indonesia's renowned economist and former Finance Minister, Mr Chatib 'Dede' Basri. From his decision to study at the ANU to his rise to one of Indonesia's most respected financial leaders, Vania and Riandy explore Pak Dede's personal journey, discussing his inspirations, Canberra nostalgia, and how the ANU played a pivotal role in shaping his academic and professional success.